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Animal wrote:The names being bandied about are Pat McQuad and Hein Verbruggen and even the owners of the US Postal Service team but that I assume is only speculation at this point.

Speculation maybe, but good enough to make Cycling Weekly: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... oping.html. Also note the photo, in which he appears to be explaining something with his hands...

Animal wrote:. . . . Lance has come clean to Oprah and admitted that he doped but that he was not the leader and was merely one of the team.

so glad I wasn't drinking hot coffee when I read that . . . .

One simple rule, DON'T believe a narcissist

Is Oprah programme just one episode? Someone said it was two to me today.

Surely 1hr45 is plenty?

Discovery airs Oprah Winfrey And Lance Armstrong: A Worldwide Exclusive as a simulcast from the US at 2am on Friday 18th January . It is then repeated at 8pm the same day. (Sky 520/Virgin 212). There will also be a concluding part on Saturday 19th at 2am, repeated at 8pm.

A missed opportunity, Lance?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/betsy-a ... -interview

Ed Moss wrote:A missed opportunity, Lance?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/betsy-a ... -interview

Indeed. I don't have too much trouble with the things Lance said. But it's obvious that there's still a lot he isn't saying. He was very careful not to accuse anyone else and the subjects he refused to touch were all subjects where there's reason to suspect that candidness would implicate others who haven't yet come clean. He remains fiercely loyal to his 'friends'.

And I remain deeply cynical about his motives. He is a complex character and I've never thought (and still don't think) that he is all bad or without any admirable characteristics. But his despicable characteristics haven't gone away just because he's admitted to doping. I can't believe that someone who displayed so little pity, so little empathy, so little consideration for the feelings and well-being of anyone whose interests weren't directly aligned with his own can just decide to become 'nice' and flick a switch to effect the change. I believe that he remains what he always was: a shrewd, perceptive, passionately driven man, capable of the most cold, calculating and ruthless acts, if he perceives them to be in his own direct interests.

Seems logical to me:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/01/20/syd ... nt-events/

This is from Paul Kimmage's piece in the Observer today.

In the autumn of 1993, Greg LeMond and his wife, Kathy, were sitting at home in the suburbs of Minneapolis, when they received a visit from Linda Mooneyham, the three-times Tour de France winner has recalled. Her 21-year-old son, Lance Armstrong, had just become the world champion and she had travelled from her home in Texas for advice.

"What does he do now?" she asked. "What does he do with his money?"

"Well, let him find an agent – a good one with an attorney," LeMond replied. "And one word of advice – just be his mom."

They sat on the porch for a while and then moved inside to the kitchen. Linda had something else on her mind: "How do I make him less of an asshole. He doesn't care about anyone."

"Well," LeMond replied. "I can't help you there."

Thanks for posting that, found full Paul Kimmage article http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/ja ... ng-cycling

Pleased for Kimmage. hes been 100% right yet often doubted for 25years

You watch this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7C ... ata_player

and its hard not to really dislike Armstrong! If he doesn't end up in jail another injustice will be done

Got all 2hr45 of Oprah recorded not sure I should bother watching

It's over 2 hours of not telling the whole truth.....

Thanks for posting that, found full Paul Kimmage article http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/ja ... ng-cycling

Pleased for Kimmage. hes been 100% right yet often doubted for 25years

You watch this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7C ... ata_player

and its hard not to really dislike Armstrong! If he doesn't end up in jail another injustice will be done

Got all 2hr45 of Oprah recorded not sure I should bother watching

I must confess I for one found the interviews absolutely fascinating, perhaps more for what was not said as much as for what was. But what was perhaps the most interesting part of it was that brief glimpse into the mindset of the cheat. The way he was able to justify to himself that it was OK to take testosterone because of the amputation of one of his testicles and then further justifying the use of EPO, blood doping, cortisone etc because he believed all his rivals were doing the same.
I have always found it fascinating the way cheats see the rules of a competition as negotiable. Alas this behaviour/philosophy has permeated all the way through sport, in fact right down to our level. I have witnessed it a few times both in athletics and cycling, even been invited to participate but have always walked away.

I always remember the words of my first coach back in the mid 70’s, he would tell us that the rules of any competition are sacrosanct and whether you believe in them or not you must always adhere to them 100%, not to do so is cheating and everything you do thereafter is worthless.

Just a few thoughts about trying to 'gain an advantage' :

I remember that when I paid a tremendous amount of money for my Chater- Lea one- inch- pitch Chain Set that I was troubled by the thought that my money had bought me an unfair advantage over my clubmates who had but the much cheaper Williams Half Inch standard sets.

Drinking brandy [to increase heart rate] before a sprint final was a type of doping really.....
Some people had a fag 'to calm the nerves'..........
It's all a matter of degree.
!

Watched 1st one. Bit of an anti-climax and waste of time. My wife summed it up quite well when she said "he clearly has no decency".

This is quite a nice article by Ted King on how he thinks the sport has turned a corner.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... estigation


Looks like it could end up with prison

Ed Moss wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... estigation


Looks like it could end up with prison

Interesting. Even if the US authorities don't manage to nail him, he is likely to be subject to French criminal conviction and could run the risk of being arrested if entering France or any other country with an extradition treaty with France. If I recall correctly, the US does not have any arrangements with France.

I saw that story too. The thing that most intrigued me was the picture. With Nike and Trek and the others gone, is Lance now working with Grecian 2000?

http://t.co/eTjzuRZ1

Philip Whiteman wrote:

Ed Moss wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... estigation


Looks like it could end up with prison

Interesting. Even if the US authorities don't manage to nail him, he is likely to be subject to French criminal conviction and could run the risk of being arrested if entering France or any other country with an extradition treaty with France. If I recall correctly, the US does not have any arrangements with France.

How do you arrive at this conclusion Philip. As I have said before as far as I am aware using a performance enhancing substance is and has been a criminal offence in France since at least the Festina affair.

Why should they take an interest now ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tygart- ... complicity


Could this be the start of the result cycling needs?
Hope so.

This is interesting:
http://road.cc/content/news/89328-anti- ... says-study

I'll be interested to see what the outcome of this is:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/judge-or ... -questions

Could Lance face a choice between perjury/contempt of court (and all the attendant risks) and shopping various people he's so far sought to protect?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24988781

At last...

Armstrong + Daily Mail = Truth?

Only if they tell us how it will affect house prices and immigration.