20isplenty?

Tim · Post by **Tim** » 01 Sep 2016 15:19

https://www.birminghambeheard.org.uk/economy/central-sw

From the research I've seen I fully support this as both a parent (who finds walking or cycling my kids to school to be a dangerous past-time) and as a cyclist and think it's the right thing to do as one measure in the whole scheme of things. I'm doubtful the council will have the gumption to actually roll it out and of course enforcement is then a slightly separate can of worms. [/b]

Post by **CakeStop** » 01 Sep 2016 17:45

I wonder if there's any evidence that the existing 20 limit zones have led to any improvements.

While I support the ultimate aims of the initiative I'm not sure about the method, I worry that maybe the only people to benefit are those who sell road signs.

petemarshall · Post by **petemarshall** » 01 Sep 2016 17:59

We have had a 20 limit on the road near us for a couple of years now. It has reduced speeds between the speed bumps to 30 and slower over the actual bumps. Before the limits many managed 40 before hitting the speed bumps.
I can cycle along here at just over 20 mph, but still get over taken then slowed as they cut back in on the speed hump.
Road sign salesmen just love this country and the 20 mph sighs along with the "Cyclists Dismount" signs will all help with their mortgages and let the council claim to be cycling friendly.😉

Tim · Post by **Tim** » 02 Sep 2016 15:04

That's why I support it Steve because from the evidence I've seen less kids are killed by cars in areas where this is introduced. Now I've not done a PhD on the subject though so im sceptical of some of the stats but from the ones I've seen there is a benefit in terms of death and serious injuries, increase in trade to local business, increase in rates of cycling and walking to school etc. Surprising stat to me is that 55% of deaths occur in 30mph zones so obviously this is the key potential benefit.

There's some campaigning now to make 20 the standard speed limit which would remove some of the signage costs going forward. The signage costs though are pretty small scale in the scheme of things and if the move can help reduce the rates of diabetes, cancer, COPD and heart disease by even just 0.01% the savings in medication costs to the country outweighs the outlay.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » 02 Sep 2016 15:24

I know these are potentially biassed / one sided but bedtime reading here

http://www.cyclinguk.org/campaign/20-mp ... er-streets

www.20splentyforus.org.uk

http://www.20splenty.org/

Not to be confused with the equally important other
http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/away-fa ... ys-plenty/