Janet Kelly Mem Open 10 Sat 16th May Results

[Patch]

Provisional results
Jon Simpkins www.drag2zero.com V40 Elite 00:18:53 00:20:29
James Middleton Media Velo / Dynamic Rides 1st 00:20:11 00:20:37
B Xavier Disley RST Sport/Aero-Coach 00:19:33 00:20:52
Tim Ashton Royal Sutton CC 00:19:29 00:20:53
Jonathan Wears Team Jewson - MI Racing 00:19:30 00:20:59
Richard Harrison Didcot Phoenix CC 00:19:38 00:21:06
Chris Halford Stourbridge Velo V40 00:22:07 00:21:12 00:55
Piotr Klin Coventry RC 00:20:18 00:21:13
Michael Stallard Stratford Cycling Club V40 00:21:05 00:21:32
Stephen Vanes Wyre Forest CRC 00:22:40 00:21:41 00:59
Jeremy Stone Solihull CC V50 2nd 00:20:06 00:21:50
Robert Harrison Worcester St. Johns CC 3rd 00:22:30 00:21:58 00:32
Andrew Shipton Gloucester City CC V40 2nd 00:21:45 00:22:08
Paddy Allaway Beacon Roads CC V40 00:23:39 00:22:10 01:29
Paul Tomkins Lutterworth Cycle Centre Racing Team V40 00:21:06 00:22:17
Andrew Overton Wyre Forest CRC V40 00:22:48 00:22:17 00:31
Martin Staines Worcester St. Johns CC V50 4th 00:23:46 00:22:19 01:27
Ed Priddy Solihull CC V50 2nd 00:21:30 00:22:22
Paul Guest Worcester St. Johns CC V40 3rd 00:22:15 00:22:40
Richard Coleman Stourbridge Velo V60 00:21:25 00:22:41
Stuart Walker Wyre Forest CRC 00:00:00 00:22:44
Martyn Shore Walsall RCC 00:20:48 00:22:45
Ian Richards Fred Williams Racing 00:24:17 00:22:47 01:30
Richard Howes Coventry RC V50 3rd 00:20:20 00:22:50
Paul Welsby www.drag2zero.com V40 3rd 00:21:15 00:22:51
Kean Bendelow Worcester St. Johns CC V40 3rd 00:22:12 00:23:00
Mark Cooper Redditch Road & Path CC V50 3rd 00:22:44 00:23:02
Peter Ward Stratford Cycling Club V40 3rd 00:22:41 00:23:02
Martin Osman MJS Racing V40 00:21:57 00:23:04
Mike Murray Team Echelon - Rotor V40 00:22:12 00:23:06
Martin Millington Stratford Cycling Club 3rd 00:22:04 00:23:10
Paul Darby Wyre Forest CRC V40 00:22:37 00:23:14
Simon Dighton Beacon Roads CC V50 4th 00:23:03 00:23:18
Andrew Morgan Coventry RC V50 00:21:29 00:23:19
Martin C Hall Evesham and District Wheelers V40 00:00:00 00:23:39
Martin Mcgowan Beacon Roads CC V40 3rd 00:22:31 00:23:40
Steve Mountford Solihull CC V50 4th 00:21:57 00:23:43
Warren Little Worcester St. Johns CC V40 00:00:00 00:23:51
Marcus Hibbert Worcester St. Johns CC V40 00:24:34 00:23:53 00:41
James Tate Beacon Roads CC V40 00:23:12 00:23:57
Callum Hibbert Worcester St. Johns CC 4th 00:24:19 00:24:02 00:17
Nicholas Bradburn Worcester St. Johns CC V40 4th 00:24:06 00:24:03 00:03
Steve Croggon Beacon Roads CC V50 00:24:50 00:24:15 00:35
Alistair Hey Beacon Roads CC 00:00:00 00:24:17
Michael Dalton Team VSprint Racing V50 00:24:32 00:24:32
Brian Jones Halesowen C & AC V60 4th 00:24:35 00:24:35
Steve Lockwood Speedwell BC V60 00:24:46 00:24:35 00:11
Gary Shuker Walsall RCC V50 4th 00:23:05 00:24:37
Rhys Richards Beacon Roads CC 00:25:56 00:24:39 01:17
Rion Clews Cult Racing V50 00:24:07 00:24:45
Anthony Davies Bromsgrove Olympique CC V50 00:25:38 00:24:57 00:41
Simon Griffin Worcester St. Johns CC V40 4th 00:25:21 00:25:09 00:12
Ian Taylor Beacon Roads CC V40 00:27:20 00:25:15 02:05
Matthew Clegg Beacon Roads CC 00:00:00 00:25:18
Mark Shore Walsall RCC V50 4th 00:23:01 00:25:21
Simon Packer Beacon Roads CC V40 00:25:01 00:25:28
Rob Wilson Coventry Triathletes V40 00:24:34 00:25:30
Martin Davis Beacon Roads CC V40 00:00:00 00:25:38
Richard Kings Beacon Roads CC V50 00:24:48 00:25:40
Simon Wheeler Beacon Roads CC V40 00:27:29 00:25:44 01:45
Laurence Cooley Beacon Roads CC 00:26:45 00:25:45 01:00
Muray Kirton A5 Rangers CC V70 4th 00:24:38 00:25:57
Bob Awcock Coventry RC V70 4th 00:24:10 00:26:12
Amarjit Sanghera Beacon Roads CC V40 00:28:21 00:26:19 02:02
Gary Woodward Saracen RC V60 4th 00:25:22 00:26:46
Keith Adcock Beacon Roads CC V50 00:00:00 00:27:00
Derek Yapp Bromsgrove Olympique CC V60 00:00:00 00:27:21
Keith Fitzgerald Stratford Cycling Club V60 4th 00:25:37 00:27:27
Ernest Mowat Oldbury & District CC V70 00:27:04 00:28:58
Robert Franks Redditch Road & Path CC V70 4th 00:26:47 00:29:31
Declan Logue Stratford Cycling Club V50 00:27:41 00:29:42
Robert Lane Leamington C & AC V70 00:27:59 00:29:42
John Griffin Elizabethan CC V70 00:29:10 00:30:59
Graham Hewson Media Velo / Dynamic Rides V60 4th 00:28:59 00:31:13
Norman Fenn Tricycle Association V70 00:29:47 00:31:16
Jonathan Moore Simonstrong Campaigners V50 00:32:57 00:34:45
Harry Morgan Midland Cycling AC V70 00:28:44 DNS
William Harper Warwickshire RC V60 4th 00:23:45 DNS
Nigel Jones Stratford Cycling Club V50 00:25:03 DNS
Mark Burnham Coventry RC V50 3rd 00:22:35 DNS
Jason Haynes Leamington C & AC V40 00:20:55 DNS APOL
David Steel Hereford & Dist Whs CC V60 00:26:57 DNS APOL
Nick Shenton Beacon Roads CC 00:00:00 DNS APOL
Peter Blackwell Solihull CC V40 3rd 00:21:58 DNS APOL
Martin Hall Evesham and District Wheelers V40 00:00:00 DNS APOL

[dweben]

Bummer for that Piotr chap... arrived 26 secs too late so got his 26 secs penalty, otherwise he'd have been 3rd!

[CakeStop]

Had to wait about 30 minutes for a slot too I think, I was wondering why he bothered stopping at the start.

[Simon Dighton]

If the course has not been ridden before I used the recent midweek results for estimated times where nothing otherwise available and base time for riders with fewer events. This meant that results are as follows, with congrats to Richard K;

K33 / 10D
Act H'cap H'cap time Points
Richard Kings 25.40 7.03 18.37 40
Ian Taylor 25.15 6.20 18.55 39
Amarjit Sanghera 26.19 7.21 18.58 38
Paddy Allaway 22.10 2.46 19.24 37
Rhys Richards 24.39 4.56 19.43 36
Laurence Cooley 25.45 5.49 19.56 35
Martin McGowan 23.40 3.34 20.06 34
Steve Croggan 24.15 4.00 20.15 33
Jessica Rhodes-Jones 25.58 5.29 20.29 32
Simon Dighton 23.18 2.47 20.31 31
Simon Wheeler 25.44 4.58 20.46 30
Alistair Hey 24.17 3.23 20.54 29
Matt Clegg 25.18 5.30 21.00 28
Martin Davies 25.38 5.30 21.00 27
Simon Packer 25.28 4.05 21.23 26
Keith Adcock 27.00 5.30 21.30 25
James Tate 23.57 2.12 21.45 24

[jdtate101]

Good thing I'm not interested in the trophy then..I bust my balls and come last..hardly seems worth it!!

[rdleaper]

I bust my balls and come last

[Simon Dighton]

Sorry James - just you are down as having a really fast PB for a 10 miler of 23-12 in the records - this meant that your time of 23-57 was outside your PB and therefore placed behind those who got PB's. Next time round the bar is higher for all those who got closer to PB's and lower for you on this course as you will be measured against 23-57. Hope that helps and good ride, best Simon

[jdtate101]

Not convinced that is fair TBH, as I've not ridden this course before.

For example Martin has a PB of 22:31 and rode 23:40
I have a PB of 23:12 and rode a 23:57

Therefore Martin came further outside his PB than I did, but he's ridden this course before and I've not....however I've received more of a penalty?? How exactly is that fair? Answer...IT'S NOT!!

I feel that the system of handicap points is fundamentally flawed with respect to if someone has ridden the course before. It's not really fair to base points on results from a totally different course under entirely different conditions. I understand that you have very little else to go by, but perhaps some sort of avg time for a 10 based upon ALL your results rather than just going by your best result.
If I someone sets a PB on a dead flat run with no wind, how that can be used to set a score on a hilly/windy TT? You will score someone who's done the hilly before based upon their last attempt which will be slow, but score another rider who's not done the hilly on a really fast PB, therefore massively disadvantaging the rider who's new to that hilly course.
This is not a good system at all.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but I'm annoyed I seem to be given the shitty end of the stick just because I haven't ridden a course before.

[Patch]

The rules state that a rider who has never ridden the course before can't receive a handicap time slower than the base time for the course. In this case 21 min. Even If you had received the base novice handicap for this course of 5:30 you still wouldn't of been able to get a time better than 21 min. The reason Martin received a better handicap is because it was based on his actual pb for this course. Simon is trying to come up with handicaps that reflect riders abilities. The K33/10D is not a particularly slow course so I don't think it's that unreasonable to use your pb for the distance. Next year James your handicap on this course will be 2:57. It kind of only really matters if your challenging for the trophy anyway.

[George]

It's inevitable that in specific instances the system is unfair. However, if you didn't have the rule about no one who is new to a course being limited to the base time, you would have another, potentially grosser unfairness, because someone who is really fast could bowl up at a course he/she has never ridden before, get a whopping handicap and blast the result to shreds. Also, the system is already very complex and trying to make it cover every possible eventuality would make it more complex still. The rules shouldn't impose an unreasonable administrative burden on the people who run the competition/events.